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"Expo2k" (Expo2k) 09/16/2015 at 01:39 • Filed to: None

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I noticed this well-played intrusion by the Zoom-Zoom folks while looking up 370Z MSRPs. If even one person buys a Mazda 6 instead of an Altima, the ad money will have been worth it.

m2m, apex detective > Expo2k 09/16/2015 at 02:52

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“2015 mazda vehicles awarded the overall lowest 5-year cost to own.”

Maybe Google knows your inner workings, is aware of the fact that Nissan area productivity leader, not quality leader, and tries to lure you with the cheapness of running a Mazda.

Maybe searching for Nissan automatically gets you branded as cheap!

samssun > Expo2k 09/16/2015 at 05:20

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Mazda has great design but no competent engines, just that SkyActiv crap. I’m convinced if they didn’t have the money to develop engines competitive with the rest of the world they should’ve re-partnered with Ford to Ecoboost everything, but Nissan’s 3.7 in an AWD MS6 would be a blast.

Expo2k > m2m, apex detective 09/16/2015 at 05:57

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What I was really doing: looking at 370Z prices to make myself feel better about buying a ‘15 Mustang GT. That said, nothing works better than rolling down the windows and battering the carpet with the grin-generator pedal.

Expo2k > samssun 09/16/2015 at 07:01

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Yeah, their engine lineup now isn’t exactly thrillsville. Hell, the 3.7 in the new CX-9 has less power than the VQ35 did ten years ago, and even more sadly, less than a base model Dodge Grand Caravan.

I’d argue, though, that the DI turbo 4 was perfect for the car (and their most exciting engine since the FD RX-7). It had gobs of torque, and decent aftermarket support for the usual turbo-engine bolt-ons, so lots of potential for cheap added power.

I had a G35 coupe with the 280HP VQ35 (autotragic wife’s car, though) and it was punchy, strong, and nice sounding, great engine! Who needs AWD anyway? Go get a G37x for that if you don’t like turbos!

spanfucker retire bitch > samssun 09/16/2015 at 07:24

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To say their engines aren’t “competent” is ridiculous. They may not have any high-powered engines in their lineup right now, but they have the best power/efficiency ratios of any economy cars, and they’ve done so with any turbocharging.

To dismiss the SkyActiv engines as not being “competent” is to be completely ignorant of how good of N/A engines they really are. They just need to slap a turbo on one of them for an MS3 or MS6.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > spanfucker retire bitch 09/16/2015 at 08:37

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exactly! They may not be exciting engines for enthusiasts, but the SkyActive units are marvels of NA efficiency.

m2m, apex detective > Expo2k 09/16/2015 at 09:29

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Grin-generator pedal ... hadn’t heard that one. Nice.

samssun > Expo2k 09/16/2015 at 21:00

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The MZR 2.3 in the MS3/MS6 was in the Duratec family, and the precursor to the Ecoboost right? So since Mazda can’t really afford to develop a modern engine, they should call up Ford and put the 2.0T, 2.3T, and 2.7TT in their whole lineup. Add AWD and they’ll be the top dog in every class.

Expo2k > samssun 09/17/2015 at 00:28

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I don’t see that happening since Ford only has about a 2% stake in Mazda after the bailout-avoidance selloff and Mazda share buybacks, and is at cross purposes with the direction they’re going with the whole ‘Skyactiv’ design philosophy. I think Mazda today is doing a great job balancing efficiency and driving enjoyment, and outclassing the other entry-level Asian automakers in interior and styling.

‘Skyactiv’ is a lame name though. I propose KISSASS instead:

Keep

It

Sexy

Smart,

And

Simple,

Stupid!

Expo2k > samssun 09/17/2015 at 00:30

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Oh, and NOBODY over there can compete with the juggernaut-grade momentum Subaru has right now with their AWD cachet.

Expo2k > Expo2k 09/17/2015 at 00:34

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In other news, 4 million people actually use Google+? I thought it was just the Oppo community!

samssun > Expo2k 09/17/2015 at 05:49

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Tell me an AWD Mazdaspeed3 with the Ecoboost 2.3 and a Mazdaspeed6 with the Ecoboost 2.7TT wouldn’t stomp all over Subaru and everyone else in those classes.